northmann

The owner or Ruler of Thrybergh pre the Doomsday book is said to be Norman?[ Northmann] [ see below ] who was the main landholder in Thrybergh, Dalton, and Brinsworth when Edward the Confessor was on the throne. Normann son of Ulf was a grandson of Alwine and his grandfather was Farthegn who once ruled Yorkshire.

The above seems to be accurate on face value, however do we have the right Northmann, and do we have the right parentage.

The Doomsday Books does contain discrepancies which are noted by many historians, and Northmann entries are not well documented, as indeed he is not well documented elsewhere.

So lets look at what we have.

In Search of Northmann

The name can be found back with Northmann brother of Leofric the Earl of Mercia both sons of Leofwine in the time of Cnut 1043.

The place name Normanby one such being in Doncaster is derived from Northmann, being the Danish spelling of Northman.

There are 1,872 entries for Northmann in the Doomsday book. [ Not all the same Northmann ]

There is a letter of St. Anselm to William prior of the canons de Mont St. Eloy asking him to receive an Englishman named Northmann who belonged to a church

Northmann held lands that were passed on to Rozelin, Picot, and Malger who all held of William De Perci.

William De Perci gained lands from Northmann son of Ulf which seem to lie in the West Riding and Northmann son of Maelculumban whose lands were mainly in the East Riding, but he did hold land in the Ainsty of York.

Then we have a Northmann antecessor of 15 acres at Boxted of Ralph of Limesy

Also a Northmann Fitz Tancred a Freeman who are believed to be one and the same person!

Northmann son of Ulf owned 41/2 caractures in the ainsty of York

Concerning Thorir's land in old Summerby in the year King Edward died Northmann took it in mortgage, the men of the Wapenteke do not know though what pact because they have not seen him do any service for it.

[ Again which Northmann is this ]

Here we have a possible breakthrough from "Conquest, Anarchy, and Lordship: Yorkshire, 1066-1154 - Page 69"
by Paul Dalton where it states that" Edgar the Aetheling was aided in an escape by Alwine Fitz Northmann who may be the same man as the Alwine whom Tison succeeded in several Yorkshire Estates."

The Northmann we are looking for is named as the grandson of Alwine [ We hope correctly ]

Now Alwine, Farthegn, and Tonni held land in Appleton from Wulfbert in 1066Prior to 1066. The name Alwine occurs several times in the doomsday book.

Farthegn was a"King's thegn". Farthegn's had two sons named Alwine and Tonni both sons are noted as holding land in the Doomsday Book. .Alwine had a son named Uhtred and a grandson named Northmann.

Now we go to North Cave in Yorkshire and find that in the Doomsday Book we have listed as landholders

Alwine

Northmann; Northmann, son of Maelcolumban;

Northmann, son of Ulf;

Ulf, father of Northmann

Again North Cave

Alwine; Asa, wife of Beornwulf; Barn; Basinc; Canons of Church of St John of Beverley; Clerks of Church of St John of Beverley; Eadgifu; Ealdgyth; Hugh d'Avranches, Earl of Chester; Earnwine the priest; Egbrand; Geoffrey de Beauchamp; Gilbert Tison; Hamelin; Hawarth; Healfdene; Hugh fitzBaldric, the sheriff; King William as arbiter; King William as donor; King William as landholder; Morcar; Mula-Grimr; Muli; Mylnu-Grimr; Nigel Fossard; Northmann; Northmann, son of Maelcolumban; Northmann, son of Ulf; Orm; Ralph Paynel; Ralph de Mortimer; Richard de Sourdeval; Robert Malet; Robert, Count of Mortain; Sprot; Sunulf; Thomas, Archbishop of York; Thorkil; Thorsten; Thorulf; Ulf; Ulf, father of Northmann; Ulf the deacon; William Malet; William de Saint-Calais, Bishop of Durham; William de Percy; Church of St John of Beverley; Church of St Peter of Yor.

Further entry of North Cave Great Domesday Book
Arnketil; Basinc; Ealdraed; Edmund; Eskil; Gamal; Ketil; Leysingr; Muli; Northmann; Orm; Robert Malet; Thorormr; Thorsten; Thorth; Ulf; Wulfgeat

South Cave, Yorkshire Great Domesday Book
Arnketil; Basinc; Ealdraed; Edmund; Eskil; Gamal; Ketil; Leysingr; Muli; Northmann; Orm; Robert Malet; Thorormr; Thorsten; Thorth; Ulf; Wulfgeat

Here below are some of the other lands from the Doomsday Book which mention Northmann, or names from above.

Shippon, Berkshire.
Abingdon; Aelfric; Alweard the priest; Alwine; Ansketil; Beorhtwine; Berner; Eadnoth the staller; Hugh d'Avranches, Earl of Chester; Geoffrey de Mowbray, Bishop of Coutances; Gilbert; Godfrey; Hubert; Hugh the cook; King Edward as lord; King Edward as monarch; King William as arbiter; Leofwine; Leofwine the goldsmith; Northmann; Oda; Osbern; Osbern, Bishop of Exeter; Queen Edith; Rainbald; Reginald; Renbald; Salvi; Walter de Riviere; Warin; William; Wulfric; Wulfric Cemp

Kirton

Northmann 20 acres, 1 border, 1 plough value 3s

Saxmundham East Suffolk
Hundreds of Plumesgate Northmann held 140 acres as a manor, 2 villians, 3 bordars, 2 ploughs in demesne and 2 ploughs belonging to the men. 3 acres of meadow, church with 15 acres. value 30s. He also held the soke from Roger. Given back to Northmann by William 1

Mundon, Essex Little Domesday Book
Northmann;

Acleta, Essex Little Domesday Book
Northmann;

Down [ Dona] Essex Little Domesday Book
Northmann;

Landuna, Essex
Folio: 49v Little Domesday Book
Northmann;

Lawling, [ Lalinge ] Essex Little Domesday Book
Northmann;

North Cave, [ Alia Cave/Cava/Cave ] Yorkshire Great Domesday Book
Northmann;

In Ecclesfield Yorkshire West Riding Wulfeah, Alsige, Godric, Dunning, Almer and Northmann had 4 carucates of land taxable where 3 ploughs are possible.

Dalton near Ravensworth, North Riding of Yorkshire the land of Count Alan. Gospatric* had 3.5 carucates and Thorfinnr had 4.5 carucates; . The former landowners are Northmann, the son of Ulfr and Gamall. The whole is one league long by 4 furlongs wide.

Dalton near Rotherham West Riding of Yorkshire was divided, part of Dalton was in the Strafford Wapentake under William de Warenne there were 5 freemen and 13 smallholders. The whole is 4 furlongs long by one half furlong wide. the part of Dalton known as Dalton Parva was under William de Percy, Northmann had 2 carucates and 6 bovates. The whole is 1 league long by one half league wide.

North Dalton, East Riding of Yorkshire Warter Hundred a Northmann, Ormr and Arnketill had 3 manors of carucates; 2 carucates and 1 bovates, held by Northmann

Abla, Hampshire Great Domesday Book
Alwine; Alwine Stilla;

William son of Northmann land in Gloustershire

Our Northmann

Northmann then held Thrybergh prior to 1066 in the time of Edward who died in January of that year, the throne then being claimed by Harold. In October of 1066 Harold was killed in the battle of Hastings and William became King.

Northmann apparently still held Thrybergh after this event and Yorkshire was still not quite under Norman rule, and in 1069 William had to retake the city of York from the Danes and English, and the harrying of Yorkshire followed. Many of the existing Yorkshire land owners were replaced and in 1086 William de Perci is given large estates in Yorkshire including Thrybergh, and Rozelin becomes lord of the manor at Thrybergh under de Perci.

William de Perci gained much of his Yorkshire holdings after 1069

What we need to learn is the year Northmann lost Thrybergh, Dalton, and Brinsworth, and why.

Great Domesday Book

Thrybergh, Triberga/Triberge
Arnketil; Dunstan; Earnwig; Everard, man of William de Percy; Fulk; Gamal; Gamal Barn; Godfrey; Healfdene; Ligulf; Mauger; Northmann; Oswulf; Picot; Roscelin; Thorkil; Ulf; William de Percy; Wulfstan

Great Domesday Book

Thrybergh, Yorkshire Triberga/Triberge
Arnketil; Count Alan; Aubrey de Coucy, Earl of Northumbria; Earnwine the priest; Erneis de Buron; Geoffrey Alselin; Gilbert Tison; Gospatric; Ilbert de Lacy; King William as landholder; Osbern d'Arques; Ralph Paynel; Robert Malet; Robert, Count of Mortain; Roger de Bully; Seaxfrith; Thomas, Archbishop of York; Thorfinnr; Thorkil; Walter d'Aincourt; William de Percy; William de Warenne

Dalton/Daltone in Rotherham, Yorkshire
Great Domesday Book
Arnketil; Dunstan; Earnwig; Everard, man of William de Percy; Fulk; Gamal; Gamal Barn; Godfrey; Healfdene; Ligulf; Mauger; Northmann; Oswulf; Picot; Roscelin; Thorkil; Ulf; William de Percy; Wulfstan

Great Domesday Book

Dalton in Rotherham, Yorkshire Land under William de Warrene
People mentioned: Alsige; Church of Holy Trinity, York; Earl Harold; Gamal; Robert Malet; William de Warenne; Wulfstan

Great Domesday Book

Dalton in Rotherham, Yorkshire
Arnketil; Count Alan; Aubrey de Coucy, Earl of Northumbria; Earnwine the priest; Erneis de Buron; Geoffrey Alselin; Gilbert Tison; Gospatric; Ilbert de Lacy; King William as landholder; Osbern d'Arques; Ralph Paynel; Robert Malet; Robert, Count of Mortain; Roger de Bully; Seaxfrith; Thomas, Archbishop of York; Thorfinnr; Thorkil; Walter d'Aincourt; William de Percy; William de Warenne

Great Domesday Book

Brinsworth, Brinesford Yorkshire
Arnketil; Count Alan; Aubrey de Coucy, Earl of Northumbria; Earnwine the priest; Erneis de Buron; Geoffrey Alselin; Gilbert Tison; Gospatric; Ilbert de Lacy; King William as landholder; Osbern d'Arques; Ralph Paynel; Robert Malet; Robert, Count of Mortain; Roger de Bully; Seaxfrith; Thomas, Archbishop of York; Thorfinnr; Thorkil; Walter d'Aincourt; William de Percy; William de Warenne

Brinsworth, Yorkshire
Folio: 321v Great Domesday Book
Domesday place name: Brinesford
People mentioned: Arnketil; Dunstan; Earnwig; Everard, man of William de Percy; Fulk; Gamal; Gamal Barn; Godfrey; Healfdene; Ligulf; Mauger; Northmann; Oswulf; Picot; Roscelin; Thorkil; Ulf; William de Percy; Wulfstan

Great Domesday Book

Brinsworth, Yorkshire
Domesday place name: Brinesford
Aestan; Aghmund; Almaer; Alsige; Arnketil; Burgesses of Dadsley; Dunning; Earl Edwin; Godric; Healfdene; Knight of Roger de Bully; Northmann; Oswulf; Regnvald; Roger de Bully; Knights of Roger de Bully; Saeweard; Toki; Ulfkil; Another Ulfkil; Wulfheah

Great Domesday Book

Hooton Roberts, Hotun Yorkshire
Aestan; Aghmund; Almaer; Alsige; Arnketil; Burgesses of Dadsley; Dunning; Earl Edwin; Godric; Healfdene; Knight of Roger de Bully; Northmann; Oswulf; Regnvald; Roger de Bully; Knights of Roger de Bully; Saeweard; Toki; Ulfkil; Another Ulfkil; Wulfheah

Great Domesday Book

Old Denaby, Degenebi/Denegebi Yorkshire
Aestan; Aghmund; Almaer; Alsige; Arnketil; Burgesses of Dadsley; Dunning; Earl Edwin; Godric; Healfdene; Knight of Roger de Bully; Northmann; Oswulf; Regnvald; Roger de Bully; Knights of Roger de Bully; Saeweard; Toki; Ulfkil; Another Ulfkil; Wulfheah

Great Domesday Book

Old Denaby, Degenebi/Denegebi Yorkshire
People mentioned: Arnketil; Count Alan; Aubrey de Coucy, Earl of Northumbria; Earnwine the priest; Erneis de Buron; Geoffrey Alselin; Gilbert Tison; Gospatric; Ilbert de Lacy; King William as landholder; Osbern d'Arques; Ralph Paynel; Robert Malet; Robert, Count of Mortain; Roger de Bully; Seaxfrith; Thomas, Archbishop of York; Thorfinnr; Thorkil; Walter d'Aincourt; William de Percy; William de Warenne

Northmann can also be found at nearby Swinton, and Wickersley in the Doomsday book.

Farthegn was a"King's thegn". Farthegn's had two sons named Alwine and Tonni both sons are noted as holding land in the Doomsday Book. .Alwine had a son named Ulf ? Ulf had sons named Arnketil, and Northmann. The names are found in over a thousand entries in the Doomsday book including many holdings throughout Yorkshire. However some of those entries are different people with the same name, but there is no doubt they had been of great note prior to the conquest as land owners.

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